To:  python-listSubject: comp.lang.python RFD againFrom: Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl I've followed the recent discussion and trimmed the blurb RFD down a bit(and added the word "object-oriented" to the blurb). I don't think it's too early to *try* to create the newsgroup --whether we will succeed may depend on how many Python supporters thereare outside the mailing list. I'm personally not worried about moderation, and anyway I haven'theard from any volunteers for moderation (and I won't volunteermyself) so I suggest that we'll continue to ask for one unmoderatednewsgroup. My next action will be to post an updated FAQ (which will hint at theupcoming RFD) to comp.lang.misc; then finalize the 1.0.0 release andput it on the ftp site.  I'll also try to get it intocomp.sources.unix or .misc.  And all this before the end of January! --Guido van Rossum, CWI, Amsterdam <Guido.van.Rossum@cwi.nl>URL:  <http://www.cwi.nl/cwi/people/Guido.van.Rossum.html> ====================================================================== These are the steps required (in case you don't know about thenewsgroup creation process): First, we need to draw up an RFD (Request For Discussion).  This is adocument that tells what the purpose of the group is, and gives a casefor its creation.  We post this to relevant groups (comp.lang.misc,the mailing list, news.groups, etc.)  Discussion is held onnews.groups. Then, after a few weeks, we run the official CFV (Call For Votes).The votes are then collected over a period of weeks.  We need 100 moreyes votes than no votes, and a 2/3 majority, to get the group. There are some restrictions on the vote taker: [s]he cannot activelycampaign for/against the group during the vote process.  So the mainbenefit to Steve instead of me running the vote is that I will be freeto campaign for its creation! The following is our current draft for the RFD. ====================================================================== Request For Discussion: comp.lang.python  Purpose------- The newsgroup will be for discussion on the Python computer language.Possible topics include requests for information, general programming,development, and bug reports. The group will be unmoderated.  What is Python?--------------- Python is a relatively new very-high-level language developed inAmsterdam.  Python is a simple, object-oriented procedural language,with features taken from ABC, Icon, Modula-3, and C/C++. Its central goal is to provide the best of both worlds: the dynamicnature of scripting languages like Perl/TCL/REXX, but also support forgeneral programming found in the more traditional languages like Icon,C, Modula,... Python may be FTP'd from the following sites: 	ftp.cwi.nl in directory /pub/python (its "home site", also has a FAQ)	ftp.uu.net in directory /languages/python	gatekeeper.dec.com in directory /pub/plan/python/cwi  Rationale--------- Currently there is a mailing list with over 130 subscribers.The activity of this list is high, and to make handling thetraffic more reasonable, a newsgroup is being proposed. Wealso feel that comp.lang.misc would not be a suitable forumfor this volume of discussion on a particular language.  Charter------- Comp.lang.python is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serveas a forum for discussing the Python computer language. Thegroup will serve both those who just program in Python andthose who work on developing the language. Topics thatmay be discussed include: 	- announcements of new versions of the language and	  applications written in Python. 	- discussion on the internals of the Python language. 	- general information about the language. 	- discussion on programming in Python.  Discussion---------- Any objections to this RFD will be considered and, if determinedto be appropriate, will be incorporated. The discussion periodwill be for a period of 21 days after which the first CFV will beissued.